38أَم لَهُم سُلَّمٌ يَستَمِعونَ فيهِ ۖ فَليَأتِ مُستَمِعُهُم بِسُلطانٍ مُبينٍ(Irfan-ul-Quran)Or do they have any ladder (by which they ascend) and listen stealthily (to the heaven)? So let the listener among them bring the clear proof.